I just had a political argument. How silly of me. Admittedly I'm not politically inclined and since most people my age violently disagree with me I usually just stop listening and don’t comment. It is my opinion that no matter what a leader does in a time of crisis half of the population will think it was wrong. To be honest I’m just tired of every wrong in the world being placed on Bush.
She said: “Bush should not have gone to war with Iraq after 911.”
I asked: “What should he have done?”
She didn’t answer, so I kept asking, “What should he have done?”
Finally she said he should have done nothing.
So- when an iconic city of the Superpower of the world is attacked and thousands of civilians are senselessly killed, when the physical center of the government is targeted-then the leader of that Superpower should sit on his thumbs and say, “Gosh I wish that wouldn’t have happened.”
Makes sense to me.
My point was only I thought he had to do something. I’m not saying invading Iraq was the right something- but I also don’t think it was a totally wrong something. What happened in Iraq? 1. Lots of people got killed. – lots of people were being killed before we invaded. 2. Weapons of mass destruction were not found- well now we know right? If the UN would have been able to investigate in the first place it couldn't have been used as an excuse. 3. A cruel, murderous dictator and government officials were deposed and held accountable for war crimes and crimes against humanity. 4. Terrorists who may or may not have been aided by above cruel murderous dictator and government officials were at the very least distracted from further terrorist plans against the USA and warned that the Superpower wasn’t sitting on its thumbs.
I stand by the idea that he couldn’t do “nothing.” And starting with a known evil is better than waiting to get blown up.
If someone can tell me what he could have done and it makes more sense then:
“Nothing.”
Or
“He could have made up a pretend country and pretend people in that country and made a movie of a war and how we beat them up and won and shown it on the news” I will certainly listen to you and consider your point.
As long as I’m at it: Bill Clinton- liar, cheater, perjurer-- and anyone who doesn’t think he was serving his own self interests as much as W is must be delusional. A man who can not be trusted in his own home cannot be trusted at all.
She said it wasn't illegal to have an affair. Well why was he on trial? Seriously I was in Cyprus I missed the whole thing. Why did he perjurer himself if he didn't know it was wrong, and serious and illegal?
She said she would rather have a leader screwing his intern than one starting wars where thousands of Americans would die.
I thought (didn’t say because this gets to a point in an argument were people start looking at me like I’m an absolute monster) 1. Clinton didn’t have time to start a war as he was too busy lying, cheating and screwing. 2. Clinton didn’t have an occasion to start a war because his country wasn’t under attack. 3. (Here’s the monster part) Every soldier in Iraq was a military volunteer. They knew what they were getting into. I’ll join war protests the day there is a mention of a draft.
She said she was sure the USA would not longer be a country in 50 years.
She told me all the wrongs and I asked her how anything she mentioned was different than any other country in the world. She agreed they weren’t different- but the US was more afflicted.
Heck if it’s only going to last 50 years I better get back and enjoy it quick!
Job 33:28
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
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Ok, I have totally avoided politics with you in the past because you're young and hip and from Texas, so I figured you would be so far left politically (though that would be against your non-political values) and completely anti-Bush.
I'm sorry I underestimated you. :0)
But here's where I feel Bush went wrong. I think he should have gone to war with Al-Qaida and the country protecting them, Afghanistan as he did. I agree with you that the UN should not have relinquished their right to investigate Iraq, nor should military intelligence should have done away with spies (and Bush rightly, I feel, reversed that). But I feel strongly that we should focus on the individuals / leaders causing the problems and not just stop at focusing on the mindless followers.
I feel we could have made a much stronger statement if we had simply kept the focus on Afghanistan which we defeated within three months and while the towers were still smoking, and then kept the major military effort to finding Osama Bin Laden. Imagine how scary that would have been to other countries and leaders and how strong of a message it would have made to not mess with America. Then from a position of strength we could have focused on working with the UN on other terrorist cells.
But by going to war with Iraq, and still fighting over there 4 years later and having to do things such as doing away with full military funerals for our war veterans because of the shortage of resources and manpower within the military and also with an obviously suffering economy, we no longer look strong, but as if we are spent on a little country like Iraq. We now have so many enemies and are the focus of so much hostility, there's no way for us to completely clean the slate. I can't imagine any other major world power seeing us as a major strength anymore. I wiould guess they probably see us as being pretty much wore down right now, which scaresd me a lot.
So that's why I feel going to war with Iraq and all forms of terrorist groups right now was a mistake for us. I personally feel that Bush got bad advise from members of his father's old administration who felt that they had dropped the ball with Iraq back when they should have done something about it[ But that's just my guess. I do agree with many otrhyer initiatives of Bush in regards to home security, etc. though.
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